VT Yankee, what you don’t know

Duct tape holding the plant together?

http://www.valleyadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=3551

Vermont Yankee’s license is due for renewal in 2012. At that time the plant will be 30 years old. I have devoted much time on this subject and all though it is not a concern for Windsor politics, it is a concern for the whole of Vermont and the Northeast. Every person who lives, works, plays and raises a family in New England has a right to these facts.

I have started a forth page for this subject alone. You have a voice here, please feel free to use it. Voice your concerns. Call your Congress and express your thoughts. You have a right to the truth, it’s your state, it’s your town and it’s your life.

The first article will be followed by the next. Links to other information will be posted on the first unless entered in a response box.

It’s important that we all take part in this discussion. It’s important you read and understand this information and what it means to you. Start by taking just 20 minutes out of your day and read this one article.

The first article:

Vermont Yankee:
A Second Lease on Half-life?

The dangers of the planned uprate of Vermont Yankee,
and the very real potential to devastate New England.
(This story appeared in the Montague Reporter, MA, in December 2003.)
Writer: keith harmon snow

Vermont Yankee Nuclear Plant in Vernon, Vermont began operations in 1972, at the height of nuclear power plant construction in the United States. Now, 31 years later, Vermont Yankee has a new owner with a plan to increase power production at the aging plant. Striking a $20 million deal with Vermont’s Department of Public Service, Entergy — the Lousiana-based corporation that bought the Vernon nuclear power plant for $180 million in 2002 — appears poised to implement one of the largest power uprates in the industry.

The monies would be used by the state to clean up algae in Lake Champlain ($8 million), to cushion VT ratepayers against any power outages associated with the uprate ($4.5 million), and for emergency fuel assistance for low-income Vermont ratepayers.

With the state of Vermont poised to accept the $20 million (payoff) in exchange for approving Entergy’s plan to exceed the reactor’s original design rating of 540 megawatts, the proposal faces additional hearings before the Vermont Public Service Board next month (see sidebar). Entergy is seeking to increase the plant’s output to 650 megawatts.

Along with an increase in output power, Vermont Yankee’s 20% uprate would bring the risk of 34% more radioactivity being released in the event of an accident or a terrorist attack breaching containment at the plant. It also means a certain increase in high-level radioactive waste, and – through daily operations – more than a 25% increase in the emission of direct radiation to local communities, according to the Brattleboro-based New England Coalition (NEC).

The Vernon elementary school is located directly across the street from the reactor, at a distance of about 1000 yards.

What does the power uprate mean for the health and safety of communities within the radiation pathways and accident danger zones?

“If someone is claiming the plant is old and shouldn’t be uprated, the fact is that we’ve replaced many components and systems over the years to keep this a state-of-the-art plant,” says Entergy spokesman Robert Williams at Vermont Yankee. “We have a full staff of engineers on site whose only job is to track performance of systems and components… The plant and the design are in excellent shape.”

NEC’s Ray Shadis disagrees. “At the beginning of 2003, Vermont Yankee notified the NRC that one of the safety components on one of their valves was inoperable, that they had to shutdown the plant. Five days later they wrote the NRC that upon examination they didn’t have that safety feature at all. It’s a very complicated machine. They haven’t got a clue.”

Shadis, who recently served on a U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission panel to assess that agency’s Reactor Oversight Process, sees Vermont Yankee as an imminent nuclear catastrophe. “It’s going to happen. At some point the United States will see another major accident, or two. It is as likely to be worse than it is to be less than Three Mile Island or Chernobyl. It is not a question of “if” — but of when and where. That’s an absolute and we want to take Vermont Yankee out of that equation.”

With authorities in Vermont and Massachusetts issuing instructions to surrounding communities to stock up on potassium iodide tablets – to mitigate the effect of Iodine-131, which attacks the thyroid gland, and is just one of many radioactive isotopes that would be released in a loss of containment accident – people are asking questions.

Is the plant ‘safe’ as Entergy claims? Is the Vermont Public Service Board serving the public interest? And is the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) a reliable regulatory body hostile to nuclear pollution and undue influence?

As early as 1955, the nuclear industry was already experiencing major technical failures. While noting the great urgency to “capitalize on any technological lead the U.S. may have,” in the race to harness the atom for domestic electricity, Rear Admiral H.G. Rickover in 1957 testified to Congress on the dearth of technical knowledge.

“Despite every design and operation precaution taken by us,” he told Congress, “we have experienced leaks in some of our steam generators… we had to spend considerable time and money on a brute-force approach, because there was no hope of obtaining an understanding of the fundamentals involved in a reasonable length of time.” [“Development, Growth and State of the Atomic Energy Industry,” Hearings Before the Joint Committee on Atomic Energy, 1957: p. 667]

A 1957 study by the Brookhaven National Laboratory estimated “the consequences of a very large reactor accident at a hypothetically small nuclear plant near a large city” at 43,000 injuries, 3,400 deaths and $7 billion in 1957 losses. Congress passed the “Gore Bill” of 1956, championed by then U.S. Senator Albert Gore (Sr.) of the pro-nuclear Gore dynasty. This became the Price Andersen Act — reauthorized by Congress again in 2002 – shielding the industry from significant liability for any major nuclear accident. The 1989 Presidential Commission of Inquiry into Catastrophic Nuclear Power Accidents determined that private nuclear corporations would be unlikely to survive unless the federal government insured the industry against such “unexpected and unknown” potential liabilities as the Bhopal disaster (Union Carbide), Agent Orange (Dow) and the Dalkon Shield.

After 1957, nuclear weapons, ships and submarines proliferated. By 1972, as Vermont Yankee came online, some 118 subs and eight ships were on order, with 95 subs and four ships afloat. Yankee Atomic pioneered the “atoms-for-peace” experiment with its Rowe (MA) reactor by 1960. By 1963, four larger nuclear plants were ordered; seven in 1965; 20 in 1967; fourteen in 1968. By 1972 there were 162 nukes on order. Only 113 of these were completed. All of the 103 nukes still operating in the U.S. today employ technology of this era.

Former M.I.T. nuclear physicist and long-time industry consultant K. Uno Ingard attributes the problems with nuclear power to its ‘economy-of-scale’. “Engineers involved in designing these plants got their experience mainly from marine [steam] power plants where everything was relatively small,” he stated. “In essence, they merely scaled plants up from what they knew before.”

Problems identified by Rickover in 1957 remain unsolved or ignored today. Problems like reactor piping system failures, valve failures and tube cracking, issues imperative to the reactors’ safe operation. “Vermont Yankee is one of 37 GE Mark I Boiling Water Reactor (BWR) designs in the U.S.,” wrote the Nuclear Information and Research Service (NIRS). “Even basic questions about the reactor [radioactivity] containment design remain unanswered and its integrity in serious doubt.” [NIRS, Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Station, 1997]

In 1972, even as Vermont Yankee went critical, Dr. Stephen Hanuaer, the top safety official at the Atomic Energy Commission (pre-NRC), recommended that the Mark I pressure suppression system be discontinued and any Mark I designs not be approved for construction. A 1985 NRC report analyzing the containment system concluded that “the Mark I failure within the first few hours following a core melt would appear rather likely.” In 1986 Harold Denton, the NRC’s top safety official, told an industry trade group that the Mark I had “something like a 90% probability of containment failure,” in the event of such an accident. Mark I reactor owners responded by jury-rigging a manual pressure relief valve, operated by, and contingent on, the men in the control room. [NIRS, Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Station, 1997]

Volumes of government reports produced in the 1980’s and ‘90’s document the myriad technical concerns creating conditions for catastrophic failures in these nuclear plants – concerns like neutron bombardment; stress-corrosion cracking; reactor pressure vessel cracking, metal fatigue and embrittlement. [E.g. NUREG 1511, NUREG/CR-5939; NUREG/CR-6339; NUREG/CR-6087; GAO/RCED-97-14.]

In 1990, the U.S. General Accounting Office reported that: “utilities operating at least 72 of the 113 domestic nuclear power plants have installed or are suspected of having received counterfeit and nonconforming products.” [Nuclear Safety and Health: Counterfeit and Substandard Products Are a Governmentwide Concern, GAO, RCED-91-6, October 1990.]

Through it all, experts claim, the industry has maximized profits, setting dangerous precedents like longer run times where ‘on-line maintenance’ disables safety systems for repair while the plant is running, and ‘in-service’ inspections, limited, by default, due to the reactor’s operation. If the Vermont Yankee uprate is approved, it will increase stresses on subsystems and components seriously compromised by age and age-related degradation.

“Significant circumferential cracking has been discovered at Vermont Yankee,” the NRC wrote (1996), in a report evaluating the threat of a meltdown due to reactor core shroud fracture. [Status Report: Intergranular Corrosion Cracking of BWR Core Shrouds and Other Internal Components, NUREG-1544, May 1996: p. xv]

“The reactor pressure vessel, the core shroud, condenser, feedwater and recirculation pumps — all these major components have not been replaced,” says Ray Shadis. “Parts replaced over the last 31 years are also getting old. The engineering analyses for retrofits are not always as good as for the originals, and the original analyses weren’t that good to begin with.”

Entergy has an industry-wide reputation for pushing the envelope, Shadis adds, for cutting corners to maximize profits, while cutting safety margins. Pushing the envelope, Entergy, Exelon Corp. and Dominion Corp. have applied to the NRC for ‘Early Site Permits’ to build new reactors in the U.S.

The risks of in-service inspections during long periods of continuous operation were revealed by a recent near-accident at the Davis Besse plant in Ohio. In-service inspections missed the acid corrosion that had eaten through a six inch steel liner in the reactor pressure vessel. Discovered by chance during a delayed refueling outage in February of 2002, only 3/16ths of an inch of a bulging exterior steel liner, facing pressure of more than a ton per square inch, stood between a major loss of coolant catastrophe. Also discovered to be cracked were five of the 69 primary control rod drive mechanisms, the fundamental reaction suppression devices.

Indeed, in-service inspection requires that the redundant safety systems touted by industry as the ultimate security insurance – defense-in-depth – are disabled while the plant is up and running. Such facts are relevant to any discussions about power ‘uprates’ and are central to any issue of public health and safety in continued operation of aging nuclear plants.

“We do inspections during refueling outages,” says Entergy’s Robert Williams. “The reactor is in great shape, as well as the reactor internals. We’ve completed a design basis review, and kept all documentation up to date, and we’ve insured ourselves that documentation accurately reflects what exists in the plant… The uprate will get full review by the NRC and the Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards. The industry has learned from the importance of not becoming complacent in any aspect of organizational culture.”

“The NRC has a history of operating as a rogue agency, and in the service of the people they are supposed to be regulating,” says Shadis, who references an internal NRC poll showing that even NRC staff have little confidence in the NRC to oversee reactor safety.

On September 27th, 2003, Vermont Yankee experienced a leak in primary piping connected to the reactor vessel head. “It was a small steam leak inside the reactor building,” said Yankee’s Robert Williams. “Prior to that we had been generating electricity continuously for 335 days,” he said.

The plant was shut down, Williams said, the pressure on the system reduced, the leak repaired, and the radioactivity “was cleaned out.” Williams said that the leak was confined to the containment area of the reactor, that there was no release of radioactive material to the environment, no threat to public health and safety.

“In fact, there were two leaks,” said Ray Shadis. “There was a steam leak where the packing blew out of a valve and, a few days later, a coolant leak where a pump seal failed on restart. The surveillance on these components was poor; maintenance was also poor. As far as the radiation, you can’t ‘clean up’ a noble gas leak. You can flush or dilute or mix, but it goes into the environment.”

“It is apparent from NRC Inspection Reports that they don’t know what safety components they have or don’t have and they don’t know what electrical cables go where,” says Shadis. “Two years ago they had a team of technicians attempting to change a light bulb in the control room. One of them stuck a screwdriver in the wrong place and it scrammed [shutdown] the plant. It sounds funny, in a dark humor kind of way, but this is not something to be taken lightly.”

“There are tens-of-thousands of valves; tens-of-thousands of switches; tens-of-thousands of relays — all waiting for the lethal combination of mechanical failure and human error. Dial up TMI [the Three Mile Island accident] just a notch, and it would destroy the entire natural resource base of Vermont. The dairy industry, agriculture, tourism – it would all be destroyed.”

Other links:

http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/news/2008/08-030.i.html

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=8334875&nav=4QcSZEE2

http://www.valleyadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=3551

21 Responses to “VT Yankee, what you don’t know”

  1. Fred Says:

    More problems at VT Yankee

    Special nuclear inspection after cooling tower leak
    By Beth Daley
    GLOBE STAFF

    Nuclear Regulatory Commission structural specialists are investigating a Friday cooling tower leak at Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Plant.

    The leak comes almost a year after a three-story section in another cooling tower partially collapsed at the Entergy-owned plant near Burlington. August’s partial cooling tower collapse (AP)

    Friday’s leak comes as the power plant begins a bid to extend its 40-year operating license for another 20 years. The plant’s power was reduced to 23 percent by this morning as a result of the leak.

    NRC officials said the tower leak is not considered safety-related to the plant’s operation. The tower cools water that cooled machinery in the plant before releasing it into the Connecticut River. Power was reduced to meet the plant’s water discharge permit standards, according to the NRC.

    Vermont Yankee has two wooden cooling towers, each consisting of 11 cells.

    “While Friday’s leak was not in the one cooling cell considered safety-related, we know there is significant public interest in this event,’’ said NRC Region I Administrator Samuel J. Collins. We need to “understand that Entergy is getting to the bottom of the problems…”

    A call to Vermont Yankee was not immediately returned.

    On Friday, Entergy officials discovered a pipe joint leaking an estimated 60 gallons per minute in a cooling tower. The leak occurred when a horizontal support beam broke away in the wooden cooling tower.

    Minor cracks were also found in supports on two other cooling tower cells, including the one that partially collapsed in August.

    An initial review by Entergy indicated that Friday’s leak was not caused by the wood decay that caused the August collapse, a press release by the NRC said.

    More: http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/81300/

  2. Fred Says:

    FYI – Vermont Yankee hearings scheduled

    Friday September 5, 2008

    VERNON, Vt. (AP)

    Whether the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant should continue operating after 2012 will be the subject of two upcoming public hearings.

    The Vermont Public Service Board has set 7 p.m. on Monday, September 15 as the time and the Vernon Elementary School as the place for the first of two hearings.

    The second will be held Monday, September 22 via Vermont Interactive Television from VIT’s studios around the state.

    Vermont Yankee’s current operating license expires in 2012. It needs both federal and state approval for its plan to continue operating for an additional 20 years beyond that date.

    © Copyright 2008, Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

    Footnote: The September 22 Interactive meeting is accessable throughout the state of Vermont: Follow this link:
    Interactive meetings (fap)

  3. Fred Says:

    (An email I sent to the Vermont PSB)

    Hello Judith,

    I just wanted you to know I am still here and more convinced that Vermont Yankee must be shut down. It is obvious that the owners, Entergy, are not going to do anything to the plant unless it is absolutely necessary putting the lives of many many people at risk.

    We must not ignore this issue as a minor probability, but a real possibility that real dangers exist. It seems we are loosing our grip on major issues, to special interests. I would hope our Vermont Legislature would approach this serious issue with calm and thought. The right decision must be made, not to provide profits for, Entergy, but to provide safe jobs and healthy environment, for all Vermonters. That should be the long term effort in the state of Vermont. We can shut Vermont Yankee down and we can put those people to work in the wind energy field. I support, whole heartedly, the option of wind energy and if a choice must be made between nuclear and wind, I take wind. It is clean, it is safe and there are no nuclear by-products to deal with or carbons. I think it is safe to say, we need to stop making a product if we have no way to be rid of it. I don’t want it in my backyard and I don’t expect anyone else to be stuck with it. We need to think of all of us as a community, and we must respect that community.

    I stand firmly against Vermont Yankee. It must be turned off for good, torn down and follow a path toward safe energy choices for Vermont and our neighbors.

    Thank you for your time.

    Fred Patterson
    Windsor VT

  4. rudyh Says:

    WPTZ.com Related To Story

    More Cooling Tower Problems At Vermont Yankee
    Plant Blames Problem On Faulty Packing Material

    POSTED: 10:02 am EDT September 17, 2008
    UPDATED: 5:50 pm EDT September 17, 2008

    MONTPELIER, Vt. — The Vermont Yankee nuclear plant has been reduced to 55 percent power after another problem with one of its cooling towers.

    A spokesman for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission said three sections of the plant’s east cooling tower were found to be leaking Tuesday evening, forcing that cooling tower to be shut down and the plant to reduce power.

    Vermont Yankee spokesman Robert Williams said it appears that the leak of about 60 gallons per minute is due to faulty packing material in an expansion joint, and is not related to structural problems in the towers.

    A section of the plant’s west cooling tower collapsed in 2007, with new problems cropping up this July.

    Since 2007, there have been five partial power reductions of 20 percent or more at Vermont Yankee, according to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

    That is comparable with the amount of shutdowns at other power plants, according to the NRC. But the agency expressed concerns about Vermont Yankee’s corrective action plan, which was implemented after a partial collapse at a cooling tower in July 2007.

    Previous Stories:
    September 17, 2008: More Cooling Tower Problems At Vermont Yankee
    September 2, 2008: VPIRG Accuses Vermont Yankee Of Fraud
    August 28, 2008: Radiation Spike Is Latest Black Eye At Vermont Yankee
    August 16, 2008: Meeting On Vermont Yankee License Postponed
    July 25, 2008: State Says Vermont Yankee Radiation Increased In 2007
    July 25, 2008: Vermont Yankee Hearing Wraps Up
    July 22, 2008: Vermont Yankee Returns To Full Power
    July 17, 2008: Vermont Yankee Power Output At 50 Percent
    July 16, 2008: Vermont Yankee Boosts Power Output
    July 16, 2008: Feds Visit, State Complains About Vermont Yankee Mishap
    July 15, 2008: More Scrutiny For Nuke Plant In Wake Of Cooling Tower Leak
    July 14, 2008: Feds To Inspect Vermont Yankee After Mishap
    July 13, 2008: Repairs To Leak At Nuke Plant Continue
    July 11, 2008: Vermont Yankee Cooling Tower Springs Leak
    July 11, 2008: PSB Investigating Vermont Yankee Future
    June 18, 2008: Vermont Yankee
    June 7, 2008: Reliability Assessment Ordered For Vermont Yankee
    June 5, 2008: Vermont Yankee To Store Nuclear Waste On Site
    June 4, 2008: Entergy’s Stance On Yankee Decommissioning Appears To Change
    June 3, 2008: Lawmakers Want Guarantees On Yankee Decommissioning
    May 28, 2008: Vermont Yankee Brings Repaired Cooling Tower Back Online
    May 28, 2008: VT Yankee Holds Evacuation Drill
    May 1, 2008: Vermont Yankee Plant Gets New Name
    April 30, 2008: VT Yankee Can’t Raid Decommissioning Fund For Spent Fuel
    April 24, 2008: House Approves VT Yankee Decommissioning Bill
    April 23, 2008: Vermont Yankee Loses Round Against House
    April 4, 2008: Vermont Yankee Fails To Find Leak, Returns To Full Power
    April 1, 2008: Vermont Yankee Operating At Half Power
    February 26, 2008: Vermont Yankee One Step Closer To Extending License
    February 11, 2008: Lawmakers Debate Vermont Yankee’s Future
    January 9, 2008: Nuke Officials Want More Analysis On Vermont Yankee
    November 29, 2007: NRC: Yankee License Review Will Be Longer Than Usual

  5. Fred Says:

    Yep, OK folks, gather round, close your eyes to the glow and holler, “WE NEED MORE NUKES!!”

  6. Fred Says:

    BTW, the talking heads keep talking?… if they would listen, this plant has told them, and us, enough already!!

  7. rudyh Says:

    Fred,

    It is a matter of maintaining control and regulating the industry. It cannot be about profits. France is smaller than the U.S. and has an extensive use of nuclear power, without the problems that Yankee continues to show. I believe the nuclear industry probably should be run, maintained, and entirely conrolled by the defense department given the potential dangers……….Rudy

  8. Fred Says:

    Rudy,

    What does France have to do with NY, VT, NH, ME and MA? Those five states alone are bigger than France! I really don’t care about their ambitions. I remember Chernobyl, do you? Do you know how many people are living there? How many people died? How many are sick today? That land is dead. And what about the river water? Contaminated? Connecticut, NY sound? Long Island? Don’t be fooled, Yankee is not fit for operating and that is proven more and more with each passing day. Do you really think Entergy is “preparing” that plant for 150 % power? They are only “repairing” when something wrong shows up! That plant is not fit for operating and if their president stood up and told me it was I would call him a liar! Like every other business now operates in this country, they save every cent they can for their CEO salaries!

    The defense department? You telling me that Gates will control nuclear power in VT? Rudy? Have you lost your mind? They can’t even equip the military with their needs? You don’t really trust them, do you? What have you learned in the last eight years just with the war in Iraq? Rudy, business today is about profits. Maybe thirty years ago it was about safety, but not today Rudy. Profits for CEO salaries. That’s it!

    So, the plant melts down taking thousands of square miles with it, countless casualties, thousands of sick and dying. And land that used to be God’s country, is now a waste land?

    Now, you didn’t mention the “WASTE”? What do we do with the “WASTE”? I know!!… we can throw it into the gigantic hole in Vernon!

    As far fetched as it seems, Rudy, someday it will happen. The proverbial head in the sand will not stop it. We have other proven, safer sources of power we can use.

    Yes, it is a matter of control and that is something no one really has in business, or in Washington! I don’t want some lobbyist in Washington putting my state in danger. This is a choice the voters should make, not some business person in Washington, Texas or Oregon.

    I was in Connecticut a few years ago and I visited Connecticut Yankee, a friend used to work there. I toured the plant and I was very impressed with it’s size and function, but I don’t agree with the chance. Even they, when CY’s term expired, tore it down. They survived the transition of power, and so can Vermont.

    I am totally opposed to nuclear power.

  9. rudyh Says:

    Fred,

    First and foremost- I am not in favor of extending Yankee’s license with Entergy. Entergy, a for profit concern, is looking to maximize income. In a field as regulated as the electric industry rates can only go up so much, after that they look to cut costs to find that income. So in the end, public safety should outweigh profits. At Yankee I do not believe that is happening. I suggested the DOD run the nuclear industry because of the security needed and potential harm the fuel and by-products could produce. The industry is already heavily regulated and the DOD, NSA, and DOE all have oversight. I would trust Sec. Gates, Sec. Rumsfeld, Sec. Cohen, and all of the Secretary of Defense appointments to oversee this function, rather than having several regulatory agencies whose palms could be greased with the right green to look the other way. Besides, it would be the General’s that would be really in charge of the situation. Yes, I trust our military leaders- who I don’t trust are the partisan hacks in Congress. The partisan politics, the bickering, the pork, and the wrong priority for tax dollars collected. You asked and stated, “The defense department? You telling me that Gates will control nuclear power in VT? Rudy? Have you lost your mind? They can’t even equip the military with their needs? You don’t really trust them, do you? What have you learned in the last eight years just with the war in Iraq?” No- I have not lost my mind, I understand that before, any pork project is funded, one more socialized program is started, or one welfare check goes out our Military should be funded. One of the Constitutional duties of our Federal Government is to raise a common defense of the nation, not build bike trails, not “ensure everyone” is equal, not to pay someone to stay home and make babies. Congress does not get this point, and it is a bi-partisan problem. Only a few black sheep have dared to buck the party lines. So Yes, I have seen what has happened in the last 8 years in Iraq. Instead of supporting our troops and generals, some in Congress decided to pull the rug out and make it a partisan issue. The military cuts of the late 80’s and 90’s came home to roost and the equipment needed to be replaced and retro fitted. Plus, you cannot fight a “politically correct” war and win, and in the beginning that was what was happening. So yes, I trust our Military leaders, and I trust if the right person is elected they will be able to do their jobs and be funded appropriately. The rest of the Congressional waste will probably get a nice big VETO on its way back. If Congress really thinks it is important they can work together to override the veto with a 2/3rds majority.

    As for the France comparison- The point is they have had safe nuclear power, and sealed storage in an area that is smaller than NY, VT, NH, ME, and MA combined as you pointed out. They have had exactly zero incidents on the international scale. I do remember Chernobyl and 3 mile Island. The difference in France- safety is the priority! If one of their plants blows, France is basically no more. The resources are put into the plants to ensure the safety. All that said industrial accidents can happen anywhere (Google “Texas City Disaster”) and at anytime. A railcar carrying chlorine gas could overturn down by Jarvis Street, or a truck could crash in small town America. Does that mean we stop producing and shipping Chlorine for use in products? If you think the answer is yes, research who and what products uses chlorine? In an industrial society, there are dangers and precautions. The problem lies when Profit is put above Public Safety. In theory, that is why these industries are heavily regulated in regards to handling, storage, and use of the products. Again, some of these industries should be “militarized” before some kook hijacks something really dangerous. If not run by the military, overseen in some aspect (transportation, and/or, storage, and/or handling, etc.)by them.

    You asked and stated, “Do you really think Entergy is “preparing” that plant for 150 % power? They are only “repairing” when something wrong shows up! That plant is not fit for operating and if their president stood up and told me it was I would call him a liar! Like every other business now operates in this country, they save every cent they can for their CEO salaries!”

    No- I do not think Yankee will have enough money put into the upgrades to meet the public safety standards. I believe they will cut costs and corners, and even if it is not Entergy, the contractors they hire will. This will not be for CEO salaries as you state, but profit for shareholders. These shareholders then normally “reward” the CEO for doing maximizing their investment. That is how business works. In some businesses, the owners reward ALL the employees, in most just the CEO’s and CFO’s and other upper management. Some of the CEO’s deserve the high salary, especially if they took a dying company or industry and turned it around to profitability. You may point out they do that by slashing workforces, but the entire workforce would be out of a job otherwise. Would it be better to have half of the employees still earning a decent living or none of them? In some cases the greed is a problem, and the salaries and demands are exuberant, in most businesses across America this is not the case. If you noticed, the fraud, mismanagement, and largess are mostly in the giant corporations that have merged, and leveraged their way to their size and ranking. Isn’t this why the anti-trust laws were put in place in the first place? To protect the market, consumers, etc. from monopolies and oligopolies? To stabilize the economy so if one pillar crashes the whole structure doesn’t?

    You said, “So, the plant melts down taking thousands of square miles with it, countless casualties, thousands of sick and dying. And land that used to be God’s country, is now a waste land?”

    Good concern, which is why I don’t favor extending Entergy’s contract.

    Then you said, “Now, you didn’t mention the “WASTE”? What do we do with the “WASTE”? I know!!… we can throw it into the gigantic hole in Vernon!”

    No- We can warehouse it safely, off site and at a military controlled and protected location. Think about it though, France stores all of their waste in their country. It can be done safely, and should. However, like any industry, if profit is involved they would prefer to dig a whole in the woods and dump it for free, and then pay to dispose of it properly. It is a good thing nuclear waste is highly regulated. Only if it were enforced…

    You said” Yes, it is a matter of control and that is something no one really has in business, or in Washington! I don’t want some lobbyist in Washington putting my state in danger.” Of course, a Military run system would not have to deal with lobbyists; it would be about national security and public safety. The current system has its problems. I don’t take any options off the table as all have “side effects” that someone will oppose.

    And one last thing, we can not have employment without some form of industry. The United States is no longer and will never again be a self contained Agrarian society. We have built too much, and have too big of a population to do so. All forms of Industry have positives and negatives, risks and benefits. We can not have the benefits of modern life without the risks to produce it. It is the “not in my back yard” mentality, and a “POSITION AGAINST” is not a solution. ………….Rudy

  10. Fred Says:

    September 19, 2008 CBS CH 3 NEWS – 6 PM

    Report: 55 percent of Vermonters are concerned over the Vernon Plant, 52 percent do not want it re licensed.

  11. rudyh Says:

    True, but not all the people against VT Yankee are against the idea of Nuclear Power. I am against Yankee, but see other countries that are smaller and have less resources fuly utilizing safe (ie public safety comes first) nuclear power. …………..Rudy

  12. Fred Says:

    Rudy, can we dump the waste at yer house? ;-)

  13. rudyh Says:

    Sure, but the neighbors might complain , lol :-0

    Seriously, the site should include natural features that reduce the chances of radiation escaping and should not be in a very populated region. It also should not be anywhere near a major underground waterway that could become contaminated……Rudy

  14. Fred Says:

    I agree, Rudy, but, you know where they will put it, on some Indian Reservation or low income community or some Natural area and none of the above has any choice. That is not right, Rudy. If you and your neighbors might complain, what about them?? Do they have no rights or are they not important???

    Sorry, no nukes! Open the box Rudy, let yourself out, and explore the possibilities. We have alternate forms of energy, safe energy, why confine yourself to a danger like that, when you don’t even have to take the chance? Open the wells in Texas, draw from some of those existing reserves. Develop some alternate energies and get out of the narrow minded phase we’re in in this country. It’s time for the oil tycoons to step up or step out! Heck, I’m even in favor of wood chip plants now, except I’m not sure what kind of pollutants they expel??

  15. rudyh Says:

    How long to those alternatives? 10 years? 15? more? How efficient is the alternatives? Does it take more energy than the alternative produces to unlock it? Fred, be real we still need oil and nuclear energy at this point………Rudy

  16. Fred Says:

    We can keep saying, “how long” until we’re broke and dead or, we can start moving on these projects now. But, I am aware of course, there is no money, thanks to the congress, lobbyists and banking/insurance industry. How do we get those three little pimples off our backs?

    Look at it this way Rudy, when you buy a car, a used car, you’re buying a vehicle that you know nothing about. Yeah, it’s a few bucks cheaper but worth the gamble? Rudy, we cannot afford to do that with a nuclear plant. It’s just dumb at any cost. Nuclear energy if a particle of creation. You know what a mushroom cloud is and you know what it looks like. I’m really not in much of a mood to volunteer in a glowing contest! We have what we have for now, but we need to stop talking and start moving. Creating “new” jobs and putting “Americans” back to work, here, in this country.

    Maybe some of these rich CEO’s could put up some money? They have all of the banks money!??

  17. Fred Says:

    #1/ More minor problems all adding up?

    Vernon, Vermont – September 26, 2008 Federal inspectors found only a few minor problems at Vermont Yankee during a recent engineering review of the nuclear plant. Yankee is under close scrutiny as its owners attempt to get a new operating license. High profile problems, including cooling tower…
    Last Modified 09/30/2008 09:43:10 AM

    More: http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?s=9081758

    #2/ MONTPELIER, Vt. — The Nuclear Regulatory Commission has rejected calls by environmental groups to overhaul its review process before processing applications for license extensions by reactors in Vermont, Massachusetts, New York and New Jersey. Nine environmental groups seized on a report from the…
    Last Modified 10/07/2008 11:26:49 AM

    More: http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?s=9137906

    (Stay informed on critical issues effecting you and your family)

  18. Fred Says:

    (Even more problems at Yankee, now, radiation leaks)

    Feds Investigate Yankee Radiation Exposure
    Vermont Yankee Workers Evacuated

    POSTED: 12:25 pm EDT October 22, 2008
    UPDATED: 10:45 am EDT October 23, 2008
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    VERNON, Vt. — Federal regulators are investigating the cause of radiation exposure that forced the evacuation of 25 workers at the Vermont Yankee nuclear power plant.

    The unsafe levels of radiation were released on Monday while the cover of a reactor vessel was being removed for refueling. The cover was placed too close to a fan that spread airborne contaminants.

    Entergy Nuclear spokesman Robert Williams said the workers were evacuated from the top floor of the reactor building for four hours, inspected for contamination and later went back to work.

    The incident happened during the nuclear plant’s regular refueling and maintenance outage, which is scheduled to last three weeks.

    Nuclear Regulatory Commission spokesman Neil Sheehan said the incident is being investigated.

  19. Fred Says:

    http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=9639208

    Radio active water leak at VT Yankee!

    Associated Press – January 8, 2009 9:25 AM ET

    BRATTLEBORO, Vt. (AP) – Entergy nuclear officials say the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant was undergoing a repair Wednesday after a broken valve was leaking radioactive water inside the nuclear plant.

    Officials say the leak did not require the reactor be shut down.

    Entergy Nuclear spokesman Laurence Smith says the leak was discovered two weeks ago and was losing about 2-1/2 gallons of “slightly radioactive” water a minute.

    He says the water, from the plant’s cleanout system, was cleaned and filtered and is not discharged into the Connecticut River. Vermont Yankee is across the river from Hinsdale, N.H.

    Nuclear Regulatory Commission spokesman Neil Sheehan says NRC inspectors are monitoring the repair. He says it’s temporary until a permanent repair can be done during the plant’s next refueling outage, expected next year

    Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
    ——

    In a recent ruling, The Vermont Public Service Board stated that VT Yankee is safe to operate. Who’s side do you suppose they represent? Is it you and your family, or the gougers of profits?

    Let me tell you what I know from steam and pressures steam creates. First of all, while a service tech for Johnson & Dix fuel in the 80’s and 90’s, I learned that a little bit of steam pressure will heat your home. A boiler needs a half pound of steam pressure to circulate steam throughout your home for heat. Ever heard those banging pipes?

    The Vernon Plant, after 30 years of HIGH pressures to turn turbines at speeds that will create an electrical current, are sure to have developed stress points throughout it’s entire system. Nuclear power generation

    High pressures are bound to cause structural problems, as with the cooling towers at VT Yankee, they are worn from the stresses of heat. Extremes cause problems, hot or cold. We all know that each time we start our cars/trucks in the cold winter months.

    I really do not believe the VT-PSB is considering all of this information. I would like to know who gave them theirs? If they are listening to the NRC, or Entergy, are we being lied to. In a time when things are done for profits and no consideration is given to anything but profits, do you trust this plant to run for forty more years? Plus the one thing I haven’t mentioned, the waste, 40 more years of nuclear waste? We have no place to store it now.

    Vermont Power Companies, such as CVPS, have said they will find competitive rates for VT consumers. So don’t be tricked into the possibilities of killing yourselves with a plant that has seen it’s best days. Close VT Yankee and turn it into a bio-mass energy factory like they may be doing with the Frazer Paper Mills in Berlin NH. With that effort and new efforts to create green energy sources we can keep Vermont safe and beautiful for many many years to come. With nuclear power generation and all of the risks, we will never know when the alarm will sound.

    It really scares me when they say, “slightly radioactive water”. What is slightly radioactive water? If it comes from the core, where radioactive water is created and only in the core, where did it come from? The more I hear, the less I trust.

  20. Fred Says:

    Correction: Entergy is not asking for 40 more years but 20 more years, still 20 more years too many.

  21. Fred Says:

    Perhaps Entergy is finally worried about this plant closing due to it’s sad and continuing degradation state of affairs? This is what companies do to make themselves look good. A new pilot flying the same old plane doesn’t make it fly any better. It only prolongs the inevitable.

    (Story link: http://www.wptz.com/news/18611592/detail.html)

    Entergy Apologizes For Radioactive Leaks

    Several Vermont Yankee Employees Replaced

    POSTED: 9:44 am EST February 2, 2009
    UPDATED: 10:37 am EST February 2, 2009

    MONTPELIER, Vt. — An Entergy Nuclear official says the company has replaced several employees following two recent leaks of radioactive water at the Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power plant. Entergy Vice President Jay Thayer apologized to key lawmakers Friday for the two mishaps.
    Thayer met with the House Natural Resources and Energy Committee, one of the panels considering Entergy’s request to extend the Vernon reactor’s operating license for another 20 years.

    The two leaks in January raised concern among lawmakers, following the plant’s problems with its cooling towers last year. Thayer told legislators that Entergy has hired a new site vice-president, new general manager and new operations manager in the wake of the problems.

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